Saturday, November 5, 2022

Nutrition psychology. When did our species start eating meat? The case of vegan proponent Dr Marcus Vinnari

A lecturer in economics at Helsingfors university recently claimed that meat-eating is a new thing. The lecturer belong to those outliers (~1 %) who abstain from animal source food in favor of a vegan alternative. His reference is a chart from statistics Finland spanning from 1950 and forward. Common knowledge in anthropology, on the other hand, dates the introduction of animal source food (ASF) 3.5 million years before the present. Science also demonstrates that cognitive functioning depends on the nutrients found in ASF. The lecturer's behavior demonstrates lack of rational prospective thinking and is consistent with confirmation bias and/or cognitive dissonance. Is it really ethical for a lecturer to promote the idea that meat-eating started seventy years ago, and is it responsible of the faculty to let him do that??

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Marcus Vinnari, an economist employed as lecturer at University of Helsingfors, and a supporter of veganism, recently claimed that meat-eating is a new thing.


“Every now and then you come across the argument that in food culture there should be a reason to consider “pericent” Chinese. That would certainly be a very good direction. For example, the current consumption of meat is a fairly recent trend #broiler” (Google translate).
Dr Vinnari's claim was communicated on Twitter in Uralic-Finnish, a remote language spoken mostly by the northern and northeast part of the Finland, as opposed to Swedish-Finnish which for the past 1000 years has been the language around the Gulf of Bothnia and the Baltic sea, including southern part of Finland, or English which is the Lingua franca in the Academy.


When questioned about the validity of his statement, a common tradition between scholars, Dr. Vinnari opted to block the conversation.


As a psychological scientist I'm used to open-minded conversations and viewpoint diversity, as well as rejection in favor of cherry picking. But disagreement is the very reason we should reason so to speak. But in order to do so we have to tame the devil within us (Pinker, 2011).

For the past years I have established a network with other scientists across the globe.

So why on Earth would a lecturer in economics at the University of Helsingfors block a conversation with a psychological scientist?

Here's some important things to take into account.

Economists and scientists use different approaches.


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Dr Vinnari use economics, I use science.

Language is important. The Lingua franca of the academy is English. The trading language around the Gulf of Bothnia and the Baltic sea has since the viking era been Swedish. Uralic-Finnish was spoken by minor tribes in the inland of the eastern part of the Swedish kingdom.

From the viking era until 1383 southeast Finland was integrated to Tiundaland/Svitjod, and from 1384, when Sweden was first mentioned, the kingdom around the Gulf of Bothia and the Baltic sea, entered a socio-cultural journey - from paganism to a modern society, marked by renaissance, science revolution, and enlightenment thinking.

In parallel to this progress, Fennophiles (Fennoman movement) where lurking in the shadows. One of the most prominent was Henrik Gabriel Porthan (1739 - 1804), a professor of philosophy, rector at Royal Academy of Åbo, and the father of Finnish history. Dr. Porthan's view of history was marked by mythology and folk poetry, that is a national-romantic or etno-nationalist.

In 1810, after the debacle of Sveaborg, when Russia overtook control of the Eastern part of Sweden, Porthan's Fennoman movement got air under its wings. Members of this movement conformed to the [false] claim that Uralic-Finns constituted a dominant indigenous population in Finland before the Svitjods/Swedes arrived.

1863, Russia demanded the Finns to abandon the trading language around the Guld of Bothnia and the Baltic sea. This lead to tribalism (Pagel, 2019).

I use English whereas Dr Vinnari uses Uralic-Finnish for his communication. That means that ze blocks 99,9 % of the academics who are active on Twitter. Whether this is on purpose or not is hard to know.

There's another import difference, the one between Finland long-standing Swedish culture, which is based on renaissance- and enlightenment thinking, which brought the universities to Finland, and Uralic-Finnish which is based fennomani and romantic nationalism. I belong to the Swedish part, and Dr. Vinnari to Uralic-Finnish part.

In a later conversation, where another expert asked about the references used for the claim that meat-eating is a new thing, Dr Vinnari gave the following respons, and I quote:
“It's a chart from Statistics Finland. We have the best statistics in the world” (Vinnari).
When facts from a blog were presented, Dr Vinnari made the following response ...


And when confronted with some common knowledge, for example Mann (2018), Dr Vinnari replied:


According to anthropological research, our ancestors started eating meat and bone marrow some 3.5 million years ago (McPherron et al. 2010; Mann, 2018; Thompson et al. 2019). One implication was that their brains started to expand, from the occipetal Lobe and forward, and their guts reduced (Aiello and Wheeler, 1995).

Eventually, our genus and species emerges 2.8 and 0.32 million years before the present respectively (Callaway, 2017Kimbel och Villmoare, 2016Villmoare, 2018Villmoare et al. 2015). Another implication is that social cognition, symbolic thinking, and executive functioning, including prospective thinking, emerged (Coolidge and Wynn, 2018; Gilbert and Wilson, 2007; Szpunar et al. 2014).

Veganism, that is, the idea to abstain from the animal source diet that opened the door för our species was originally introduced as a means to clean the body in preparation för the second coming of Jesus (Swedenborg (1688- 1772)), and to suppress carnal urges (White (1827-1915); Seventh Day Adventist church) (Österberg, 2019).

2019. BBC reported about är baby girl that suffered from veganism.


Link to source.

In Aug 2022, a vegan mother was jailed after her Chile died because of veganism.


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A recent systemic review and a meta-analys concluded that the decision to abstain from animal source food is associated with lack of mental wellbeing (Dobersek et al. 2020, 2021). Plante et al  2019 showed that people who abstain from ASF has issues with social relations. The brain needs animal fat (Ede (2019).

Humans sometimes fail to be rational despite adequate intelligence (Stanovich, 1993). That include jumping to conclusion, formally simulation bias (Kahneman and Tversky, 1977).

And when that has happened, we tend to stick to the story. In a famous study from the 1950s, researchers Leon Festinger, Henry Riecken, and Stanley Schacter infiltrated a sect who had conformed to the idea that a flood would swamp the planet in the near future. On page three the researcher famously wrote:



Link to source here.

Conclusion. Our species rely on animal source food to acquire the many (>30) micro nutrients we need to sustain physical and mental health. People who abstain from animal source food (1-2 %) report lack of mental well-being, neuroticism, and issues with social relations. Dr Vinnari is a Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and like other Sapiens who abstain from animal source food (1-2%), Dr Vinnari seems to be stuck in his conviction, lack rational prospective thinking, and have issues with social relations. When:
  • encounter viewpoint diversity, he turns away (blocking).
  • presented with facts and figures he questions the sources (Its very nice that we have blogs. People can write what they like; Nah).
  • when appealed to Logic, Dr Vinnari ends the conversation:


Is it really ethical for a lecturer to promote the idea that meat-eating started seventy years ago, and is it responsible of the faculty to let him do that?

Finnish consumers still prefer healthy meat over plant-based alternatives, but Finnish researchers and journalists report the opposite

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2 comments:

  1. Dr Sarah Hancock PhDDecember 4, 2022 at 2:06 AM

    I'm horrified on a range of counts - at the lack of critical thinking, and lack of any desire to engage in constructive debate, and that Dr Vinnari is teaching what amounts to personal belief - not evidence - to students. It's dangerous - you've correctly pointed out the cases involving catastrophic consequences for babies fed a vegan diet, but girls and women are currently underserved by protein recommendations worldwide. In addition, girls and teenagers are a particular target market for vegan influencers via social media who of course couple their message with ideas relating to climate change - and it is members of this market who are being taught by this lecturer. I don't think it's going too far to say there's a public health concern by this person spreading ideas like this that are fundamentally wrong and contradictory to all evidence in this area regarding meat consumption and health. Here's some important references to consider
    On meat consumption and AC mortality and cardiometabolic outcomes https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31569213/
    On meat consumption and cancer https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31569214/
    What happened when these articles were published; an eye-opening read https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2759201?fbclid=IwAR1Q0KkZ5CwHKkKidQrYDe17s8PcL8YTVPpQedQsPED7VMx0D3ftRan7IdA
    and importantly, this landmark study by Urska Dobersek et al https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32308009/

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  2. Dr Sarah Hancock PhDDecember 4, 2022 at 2:13 AM

    ...and how and why the brain needs animal fat https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201903/the-brain-needs-animal-fat?fbclid=IwAR3hFJb7Rc7HvSZxpcUoFHviDn44BZJx1AHbZbf1BOGMn7PWxU-YQVwxxdg

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